Re: [DNSOP] Fundamental ANAME problems

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Sat, 03 November 2018 01:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fundamental ANAME problems
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On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@besserwisser.org>; wrote:

>> I'll defer to other people, but it seems to me that anything that depends on
>> recursive DNS servers being updated isn't a realistic solution.  We're still
>> waiting for DNSSEC, after all.
> 
> Be as pessimistic as you like, but in Sweden, more than 80% of the ISP
> resolvers validate. The DNS can change, at a sometimes glacial speed,
> but it does change.

According to https://ithi.research.icann.org/graph-m5.html, the worldwide fraction of public DNS that performs DNSSEC validation is about 25%.

--Christian Huitema