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Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com> Wed, 21 December 2016 14:36 UTC

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 06:36:16 -0800
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz
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the complaints about operator participation in the IETF go back decades.
 no news there.
in fact, there are operator driven fora for just such activities, DNS-OARC
comes to mind.
this draft actively destroys trust in the DNS, which reduces trust in the
Internet overall.
is that really what you want out of the IETF?

/Wm

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote:

> Moin!
>
> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:33, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>
> On 20 Dec 2016, at 7:16, tjw ietf wrote:
>>
>> Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption
>>> by
>>> DNSOP, and comments to the list, clearly stating your view.
>>>
>>
>> The draft itself is really not suitable for adoption by the WG. Just
>> slapping "Informational" on the document is insufficient for preventing a
>> lot of wasted effort by the WG in removing the parts of the document that
>> promote the practices described.
>>
> Other then in section 1, I didn't see this. However your response is yet
> another
> examples why we don't have operator participation in the IETF though we
> always
> say that we want it.
>
> I've talked to lots of operators of recursive DNS servers and nearly all
> of them
> have some form of DNS blocking/redirection, yet whenever this comes up in
> the
> IETF sometimes even from operators (draft-livingood-dns-redirect) we look
> the
> other way and say this does/should not exist.
>
> Well it does and if the IETF wants to be relevant to those operators it
> would be
> good if we had documents describing this, so they could be used as
> guidelines.
>
> And while I don't like yet another draft that encodes something in DNS
> data that
> was not meant to be DNS data I have to agree that this draft is relevant to
> this working group and given that we have already multiple implementations
> of
> it I think that the draft is something the working group should adopt.
>
> So long
> -Ralf
>
>
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