Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz
william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com> Wed, 21 December 2016 14:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz
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the complaints about operator participation in the IETF go back decades. no news there. in fact, there are operator driven fora for just such activities, DNS-OARC comes to mind. this draft actively destroys trust in the DNS, which reduces trust in the Internet overall. is that really what you want out of the IETF? /Wm On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote: > Moin! > > On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:33, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On 20 Dec 2016, at 7:16, tjw ietf wrote: >> >> Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption >>> by >>> DNSOP, and comments to the list, clearly stating your view. >>> >> >> The draft itself is really not suitable for adoption by the WG. Just >> slapping "Informational" on the document is insufficient for preventing a >> lot of wasted effort by the WG in removing the parts of the document that >> promote the practices described. >> > Other then in section 1, I didn't see this. However your response is yet > another > examples why we don't have operator participation in the IETF though we > always > say that we want it. > > I've talked to lots of operators of recursive DNS servers and nearly all > of them > have some form of DNS blocking/redirection, yet whenever this comes up in > the > IETF sometimes even from operators (draft-livingood-dns-redirect) we look > the > other way and say this does/should not exist. > > Well it does and if the IETF wants to be relevant to those operators it > would be > good if we had documents describing this, so they could be used as > guidelines. > > And while I don't like yet another draft that encodes something in DNS > data that > was not meant to be DNS data I have to agree that this draft is relevant to > this working group and given that we have already multiple implementations > of > it I think that the draft is something the working group should adopt. > > So long > -Ralf > > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop >
- [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-r… tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Allan Liska
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… bert hubert
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… bert hubert
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… bert hubert
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Role of informational RFCs Re: DNSOP Call… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… sthaug
- Re: [DNSOP] Role of informational RFCs Re: DNSOP … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… sthaug
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Nolan Berry
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Role of informational RFCs Re: DNSOP … Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Patrik Wallstrom
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Scott Schmit
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Richard Clayton
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Scott Schmit
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Barry Raveendran Greene
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Scott Schmit
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Avri Doria
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Barry Raveendran Greene
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… 神明達哉
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Barry Raveendran Greene
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Melinda Shore
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Doug Barton
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Barry Raveendran Greene
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-d… Vernon Schryver