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Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)

Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> Thu, 07 July 2022 15:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)
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Hi Benno -

On 7/7/2022 11:10 AM, Benno Overeinder wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> On 07/07/2022 16:58, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>> On Jul 7, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Benno Overeinder <benno@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote:
>>> Gentle reminder, the poll runs until July 9.
>>
>> Can you say how the poll will be used? There was pretty strong 
>> push-back after the original announcement, and it's thus unclear how 
>> the poll results will be acted on.
>
> It helps us and the WG itself to prioritise WG activities and start a 
> regular WG call for adoption of a number of documents.  We will share 
> the results of the poll with the WG and how to make an initial 
> selection of documents that will be included in the WG call for 
> adoption process.  We currently have 6 drafts for which the authors 
> have asked WG adoption, but that is too much new work for the WG to 
> work on.
>
> Any feedback on improving the process to prioritise work in the WG is 
> welcome.

All of that is a good and just reason to send out calls for adoption.  
But the point of the previous messages was that the poll was not the way 
to do that.  Basically, making a poll choice without providing context 
and an opportunity for discussion a) lacks transparency (in that when 
the chairs make a decision, the WG has no basis on which to evaluate 
that decision), b) lacks nuance (in that the choices provided do not 
cover some shadings of what to do - e.g., not ready for consideration), 
c) lacks WG participation (a discussion about a document gets us to a 
better result than blind voting).

The fact that the chairs did not respond to the original messages is 
also a bit problematic.

Later, Mike



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> -- Benno
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