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Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> Mon, 16 March 2015 15:16 UTC

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From: Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk>
To: bert hubert <bert.hubert@netherlabs.nl>
Thread-Topic: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards
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> On 16 Mar 2015, at 15:05, bert hubert <bert.hubert@netherlabs.nl> wrote:
> 
> Sorry? We solve implementation hardship by standards action now?
> 
>   "Some modern Authoritative servers, such as those used by CDN's, do
>   not have DNS zones.  For those servers answering ANY query truthfully
>   is hard work.  Thus ignoring ANY queries simplifies the
>   implementation."
> 
> Is this really all there is to the story? Seriously? 
> 
> I have lots of respect for Olafur, but this does seem to turn a local
> challenge into a global standards action..

Hypothetically, if you're using one of those funky NoSQL-style backends where RRs are looked up in a key-value store directly from a (QNAME, QTYPE) tuple I can see how supporting QTYPE == ANY would be tricky.

The fact that "ANY" exists can put some significant implementation constraints on your system :(

Ray

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