Re: [DNSOP] draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt

"Joe Abley" <jabley@hopcount.ca> Tue, 22 September 2015 13:21 UTC

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From: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:20:58 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt
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Hi Stephane,

On 21 Sep 2015, at 11:20, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:19:26PM -0400,
> Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote
> a message of 111 lines which said:
>
>> Whether or not we should call an onion or mdns name a "domain name"
>> or something else is just a detail. I don't think agreeing on the
>> answer is going to solve any of the problems that we actually have.
>
> I disagree. RFCs are written with words and discussions at the IETF or
> elsewhere use words. Agreeing on the "right" words is important. Words
> are not innocent. (Refusing to call .onion names "domain names" was
> also a way to refuse the registration of .onion.)

I suspect I didn't explain myself very well.

I am all in favour of an accurate and unambiguous lexicon, and I think 
there's a lot to like about Ed's draft.

However, the problem we are struggling with (which Ed spoke more about 
in a follow-up e-mail) is the conflict between different name resolution 
protocols that have namespaces similar enough for applications to treat 
the same.

I think we need to address the architctural issue that the last label in 
what applications (and Ed) call a domain name is in some cases a 
protocol selector token, and in other cases is not.

(We might wish that there was a better answer than this, perhaps has 
part of the URI spec or something else, but let's face it, that 
particular quadraped has long since departed his straw-strewn abode).


Joe