Re: [DNSOP] Questions on draft-ietf-dnsop-delegation-only

Patrick Mevzek <> Thu, 30 July 2020 21:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Questions on draft-ietf-dnsop-delegation-only
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On 30/07/2020 15:46, Joe Abley wrote:
> On 30 Jul 2020, at 16:36, Paul Wouters <> wrote:
>> Seems like .org needs to update an 18+ year old operation policy, and
>> just to clarify that has nothing to do with this draft as .org already
>> has this problem.
> Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I think what we are doing is a consequence of the contract we have to operate the ORG registry. If that's right you are of course entirely at liberty to engage through the ICANN bottom-up policy-development process to advocate for individual contract changes for the 1,500 or so TLDs that are operated under essentially the same contract.

ICANN procedures and hence application process for new gTLDs have 
specific text/question to address the handling of "orphaned glue 
records" in the registry zonefile, in the sense that the operator needs 
to document what it does, which probably hints at the fact that there is 
no one size fits all solution here.

Question 28 of

Abuse Prevention and Mitigation: Applicants should describe the proposed 
policies and procedures to minimize abusive registrations and other 
activities that have a negative impact on Internet users. A complete 
answer should include, but is not limited to:


Proposed measures for removal of orphan glue records for names removed 
from the zone when provided with evidence in written form that the glue 
is present in connection with malicious conduct (see Specification 6);


There is even a SSAC comment on this too.
[SAC048]: 	SSAC Comment on the Orphan Glue Records in the Draft 
Applicant Guidebook (12 May 2011)

Note specifically this part:

Orphaned glue can be used for abusive purposes; however, the dominant 
use of orphaned glue supports the correct and ordinary operation of the 
DNS.  Thus it is inappropriate to include the management of orphaned 
glue under the rubric of "abuse prevention and mitigation" and we 
suggest that it be removed

Patrick Mevzek