Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
Richard Gibson <richard.j.gibson@oracle.com> Mon, 26 March 2018 18:05 UTC
Return-Path: <richard.j.gibson@oracle.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E221277BB
for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.011
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1,
DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01]
autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key)
header.d=oracle.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44])
by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
with ESMTP id oxiLz-Y8aiLJ for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>;
Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from userp2130.oracle.com (userp2130.oracle.com [156.151.31.86])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05FE0126CC4
for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:05:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w2QI4vPR011825;
Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:05:13 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com;
h=subject : to :
references : from : message-id : date : mime-version : in-reply-to :
content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26;
bh=ZuqDCSBU4EcXXZfaQ4It7fLtBHVY2b+sH1unRs5ddUU=;
b=uXWJQsIx+6d/g2bD48OYGXeAW6X12zhvXU5agMC5CwjKK0DaTVOrsJ8XlOKDSTTmJai+
Al/XYWEv2rKcYO4C9Ze9xtlli47vjXlsnN3psj5BeVeFBL/ue5uYLQ1lso+eRHAkMJqA
YNzYwFmJnltIR6/LfNr5XyOhs1CBVqUXBPkSVkJLHGw/GQPtfT1PqrJl6RHwERifNzN1
RZCszKBqLYmRLwxORi+0ZxvlxiBJITxqeuNHLtmbbF5b1ZvCGXNC62MsWkrBB6Lg751f
hEE/zY9EEQv5qYKI3bd/FmFzEMKkYiFZp3LK0Z2fczAJT3czprF55vz4O3RfdT44KUM7 hA==
Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234])
by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2gy5u1801k-1
(version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK);
Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:05:13 +0000
Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236])
by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w2QI5BOp031813
(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK);
Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:05:12 GMT
Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25])
by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w2QI5AHt028069;
Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:05:11 GMT
Received: from [172.19.128.82] (/216.146.45.33)
by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0)
with ESMTP ; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:05:10 -0700
To: Michael Casadevall <michael@casadevall.pro>, dnsop@ietf.org
References: <7CF21F70-9419-4D6A-B555-FC229F90E8A9@isc.org>
<5AB546CB.3030408@redbarn.org> <CCAE4014-67F8-4E73-A893-AA06B83E880B@isc.org>
<20180324124958.GA29255@puck.nether.net>
<CAJhMdTPRn=mUQ6xh_HFdFLBk109b_M2+saS86KFxsttb8_oVvw@mail.gmail.com>
<20180325080558.GA18671@isc.org>
<066C83F5-5E1C-4DF8-8D45-A7E9F3A44673@vpnc.org>
<DCE31CFA-534E-451F-B743-E022F62C7516@isc.org>
<20180326124544.GA32080@isc.org>
<552cfda4-572b-7c88-b5b8-0cda5c49e2fd@casadevall.pro>
<20180326145729.GA35023@isc.org>
<446d939d-5353-2f31-3b3f-7097e2c13a54@casadevall.pro>
From: Richard Gibson <richard.j.gibson@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <6e31543d-f8ec-acde-8dc5-bd5435bae579@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:05:08 -0400
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <446d939d-5353-2f31-3b3f-7097e2c13a54@casadevall.pro>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Language: en-US
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8844
signatures=668695
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0
malwarescore=0
phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=965
adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1
engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1803260185
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/_Y8kecIGWT-FSHacbsv3JOvOGHI>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for
draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>,
<mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>,
<mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:05:16 -0000
TSIGs cover "A whole and complete DNS message in wire format, before the TSIG RR has been added to the additional data section and before the DNS Message Header's ARCOUNT field has been incremented to contain the TSIG RR" (RFC 2845 section 3.4.1), and would therefore be sensitive to decompression. On 03/26/2018 11:33 AM, Michael Casadevall wrote: > 2. Resolvers MUST never generate obsolete RRtypes in a compressed > format. If (in line with below) the resolver receives a record in > compressed form, it MUST be decompressed before being sent to downstream > resolvers as though. Resolvers SHOULD warn that they are unpacking > records in transit. > > How's that sound? I'm still somewhat iffy on my understanding of DNSSEC > RRSIG canonical forms, but if I understood the RFCs correctly, the > uncompressed record should match the canonical form the RRSIG validates > against to which in turn is identical to RFC 3597 (aside from WKS, > although RFC 2136 suggests it only applies in the case of DNS update and > not validation) > > It specifically states you're allowed to understand, but thou must not > speak. If there's a DNSSEC concern, it should be noted though I don't > think it's a showstopper in and of itself. As previously stated, I very > much doubt these records are commonly if ever signed.
- [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Matthijs Mekking
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... P Vix
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Jared Mauch
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Matthijs Mekking
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Michael Casadevall
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for d... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Michael Casadevall
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Michael Casadevall
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-... Ondřej Surý