[DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standard
Philip Homburg <pch-dnsop-7@u-1.phicoh.com> Mon, 13 April 2026 13:39 UTC
Return-Path: <pch-b55F8B228@u-1.phicoh.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: dnsop@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A96DB37C45; Mon, 13 Apr 2026 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1776087586; bh=huJAbsN1dwYKCAyuNObBbNes4wAfzDAGFagjP5A2/mw=; h=To:Cc:Subject:From:References:In-reply-to:Date; b=f3ckEB67DUk8mI+Gs+KPDVerAn57IwQdBo1qto43tZySqWugH2cHBHte4kqhXVRZj P37/Z/Gdybwq8qrJ+QsgUcoirJDyKz3JYnQ6Udtd3dj83JNne6UQweoRSCuq7H5flh ZSA0QBAITQb0jTKJhLqze3TbkqC1T8+6fPX4zGZY=
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HpnXACkhW-Nz; Mon, 13 Apr 2026 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from stereo.hq.phicoh.net (stereo.hq.phicoh.net [IPv6:2a10:3781:2413:1:2a0:c9ff:fe9f:17a9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2238ADB37B29; Mon, 13 Apr 2026 06:38:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from stereo.hq.phicoh.net (localhost [::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by stereo.hq.phicoh.net with esmtp (TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305) (Smail #158) id m1wCHUo-0000QZC; Mon, 13 Apr 2026 15:38:34 +0200
Message-Id: <m1wCHUo-0000QZC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net>
To: dnsop@ietf.org
From: Philip Homburg <pch-dnsop-7@u-1.phicoh.com>
Sender: pch-b55F8B228@u-1.phicoh.com
References: <m1wAunU-0000NEC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <2338256.t9SDvczpPo@localhost> <038ae9d1-34fc-4085-aa6d-76ef79287857@gmail.com> <PARP264MB6760A67BB8F2060962E8A64088592@PARP264MB6760.FRAP264.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <B93DB6C8-2974-4915-93DE-DFCB6B858AFA@consulintel.es> <m1wB6jW-0000VYC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <25022.1775841874@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <m1wBGFD-0000PhC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <5539.1775850116@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:41:56 -0400 ." <5539.1775850116@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 15:38:33 +0200
Message-ID-Hash: 5ZYOCEZR73IMPJ6WKYBKM3DVSQBAKVCY
X-Message-ID-Hash: 5ZYOCEZR73IMPJ6WKYBKM3DVSQBAKVCY
X-MailFrom: pch-b55F8B228@u-1.phicoh.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-dnsop.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
Subject: [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standard
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/_fArPbOEuL4FfShgexrSelJsBTE>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:dnsop-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:dnsop-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:dnsop-leave@ietf.org>
>People who wrote v4-only applications will just fail on v6only hosts. >No confusion. You mean people why write dual-stack applications will just see them fail on v6only hosts. Yes, that is an issue. And that's an issue we need to address. Not by adding DNS64 and predenting everything is fine, except for a long list of things that all don't work with DNS64. >It's only people who were v6-clueful on the application, and yet have *not* >deployed v6 servers, who will run into problems. Are we now at the point where it is okay to break IPv4-only services? Maybe that's a bit detached from the real world? >Just *(@$#5324 deploy v6 already. OMG. > >DNS64 might not work for you, and should not be recommended for new >application writers, but it *is* out there, and I *do* need a consistent set >of IS RFCs that can go into RFPs in order to get v6-mostly. >Not having DNS64 on that list will let some product manager remove support >for it in some router and/or DNS recursive resolver. >(Note: that could be the resolver at 127.0.0.53 used by a container) Maybe the RFC processes should not be abused for RFPs? If you cannot put a standards track RFC in an RFP (and RFC 6147 is standards track) then that is not something the IETF needs to fix?
- [DNSOP] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standa… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP] Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet St… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet St… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Chenhao Ma
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Ole Trøan
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Nick Buraglio
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Dan Wing
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Ole Trøan
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Gert Doering
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Tim Chown
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mov… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mov… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … marka
- [DNSOP] (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philipp Tiesel
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es