Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Action: draft-chapin-additional-reserved-tlds-00.txt
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Tue, 04 February 2014 01:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Action: draft-chapin-additional-reserved-tlds-00.txt
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On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 08:08:59PM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote: > > purely on the basis that some of us don't like what they did. We > need a better reason than that, and thus far none has been stated. In the particular case of .onion, I'm not sure I agree none has been stated. But let me try again: If you want to use a name in DNS protocol slots, then you need a DNS name. You didn't get a DNS name, and instead you used a label that wasn't under your control. That's been against the rules in the DNS since forever. Now you want to short-circuit the allocation mechanism. But we have an allocation mechanism for this. In the normal case, you apply to ICANN. In an unusual case where the protocol depends on this, then you can use this special-use registry. So you need to show that your protocol needs to depend on this special-use label, and then we can register it under the special use mechanism. Otherwise go to ICANN. What we ought to be arguing about, in effect, is precisely why this needs a special-names registration. Now, _maybe_ there is an argument that this is a DNS-looking series of labels but it never goes into the DNS namespace (that's what I've heard once). In that case, there might be an argument. ("Put this in the default local zones, always NXDOMAIN, because we want to protect the DNS.") Maybe the argument is instead that sometimes these names are handed to DNS resolvers and are supposed to resolve. In _that_ case, it seems to me that the "this is a DNS name" consideration is also pretty high. I'm unsure we've had clear and consistent arguments about this for each of the cases. In the chapin draft, the argument is different, and it appears to be purely a local-resolution-only one -- that is, always "protection of the DNS" because of de facto resolution and security decisions deployed on the Net. I haven't read it closely enough to decide whether this is true for every label in the list. Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Action:… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… jonne.soininen
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… jonne.soininen
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Ferguson
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] possibly quite a lot of additional sp… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & draft-… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Tony Finch
- [DNSOP] admin note Re: additional special names F… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC, additional special names & dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Norbert Bollow
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Tim Wicinsku
- Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Act… Suzanne Woolf