Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

Joe Abley <> Thu, 29 July 2021 19:03 UTC

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Hi Peter,

On 29 Jul 2021, at 14:39, Peter van Dijk <> wrote:

> On this version, I see under New Working Group Business a draft (the
> black lies sentinel) that was posted two days ago. Can somebody please
> explain to me what the purpose of the draft cutoff is, if drafts can
> appear in the datatracker, and on an agenda, after the cutoff?

I believe it has long been the case that the IETF resumes accepting new documents at the start of IETF week. This allows people to document ideas that come up in corridors and in the bar during the actual event.

(Remember actual events? In the Before Times, we had them.)

The purpose of the cut-off as I understand it is that agendas and meeting slots are supposed to be organised long in advance of that, and that it's useful to suspend new documents to avoid the rug being pulled out from that administrative process.

The case where a document is submitted before the deadline and gets agenda time but is updated before the meeting is not unremarkable either, I think, although I think references to the new version would properly be made informally and obviously not in the slides that were definitely submitted well in advance.

I can't speak to the black lies draft, for which I understand new terminology is eagerly anticipated before anybody else mentions it, but that's my general idea of what is going on in the world.

I miss actual events.