Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld
Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Mon, 15 June 2020 23:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld
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Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote: > > > I.e. the proposed use case is already widely deployed and known to be a > > bad idea. > > known by whom, and how? (got URL?) Gosh well I thought this was widely agreed folklore / common sense since the 1990s and I'm not in the habit of collecting links to essays on "why X is a bad idea" when it seems from my perspective that approximately nobody writes essays like that because X is obviously a bad idea... :-) But, we know that overlapping name spaces and address spaces are a nightmare for mergers and acquisitions. It's incompatible with private interconnects, such as organizations collaborating without mergeing, or home-to-home VPNs. We know that non-unique namespaces are incompatible with the web security model. We know that it's incompatible with PKIX. (You can do private x.509 but not public.) We know it's incompatible with DNSSEC. (You can set up a private root, but then we're back to splendid isolation and arcane technical expertise.) Overall it scuppers much of the protocols that support end-to-end connectivity and security. And the breakage is unnecessary because we know there are straightforward alternatives that avoid the problems. [ I am maybe exaggerating a bit about the 1990s, because back then, when Microsoft Small Business Server was encouraging everyone and their dog to squat on .local, domain names were 10x more expensive than now and 100x more difficult to obtain, so they had a reasonable excuse, but it was still terrible. ] Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/ Channel Islands: South to southeast 2 to 4, becoming variable 1 to 3 by early afternoon, then northwest 1 to 3 by midnight. Smooth or slight. Scattered thundery showers, mainly near French coasts, risk of mist or fog patches, mainly in the north of the area. Moderate or good, occasionally poor, perhaps locally very poor.
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- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-u… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Dmitry Belyavsky
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Erwin Lansing
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Geoff Huston
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Dr Eberhard W Lisse
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-arends… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… S Moonesamy
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Rubens Kuhl
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-arends… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Geoff Huston
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
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- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Christian Huitema
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Mats Dufberg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Mats Dufberg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Dr Eberhard W Lisse
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Robert Mortimer
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Vladimír Čunát
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends