Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes
David Cake <dave@davecake.net> Fri, 07 July 2017 13:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes
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If you have a single centralised root for your new class, you will probably either recreate the problems of ICANN, or create one or more of the problems that ICANN has very consciously tried to avoid. If you have a system of name resolution that avoids the need for a centralised root, you probably don’t need a new class to implement it. The few marginal cases that need to interact with the one root but not be ICANN controlled are why we have the RFC 6761 process. I agree a taxa of needs that do not fit within those three cases would have been useful. David > On 5 Jul 2017, at 10:47 am, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: > > i think avoiding icann is a red herring. if the draft in question had > done a decent job of exploring the taxa of needs for name resolution > outside of the 'normal' topology, we would have the start of a base on > which to discuss this. > > randy > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
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- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ralph Droms
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] new DNS classes Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] draft-sullivan-dns-class-useless (was Re:… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes shogunx
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Martin Rex
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Cake
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Andrew Sullivan