Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter
Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 28 March 2018 08:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter
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I have looked at the same problem Bert has, but he did present it much better than I could. When I started thinking about this, I approached it from the point of view of "If I have to give a co-worker a document on how to build a DNS Server (Authoritative or Resolver), what would I need to give them". I also have spent a lot of time watching the 793bis work in TCPM, which has been moving along slowly and methodically. I felt what we would come up with would be 1. a DNSOP document which would be an implementation list for building an Authoritative or Resolver 2. a roadmap to work on 1034bis and 1035bis, which would be a new WG. I also realized that the second item would be brutal, painstaking, not "sexy" for most IETF standard types. I've had lots of experience dealing with the concept of "technical debt" and a lot of this is very similar. But we also need someone who has the skill set of a project manager, who knows how to lay out workflows. That's not something a bunch of programmers always have. Summary - Paul is on the right track here. A good example is looking at what Route 53 implements (for better or for worse) and realize they implement some real minimal subset. I think it's too small, but it's an interesting argument. tim On 3/27/18 17:33, Paul Vixie wrote: > i see no purpose in change documents, which would add to the set of > things a new implementer would have to know to read, and then to read. > > rather, we should focus on a DNSOP document set that specifies a > minimum subset of DNS which is considered by the operational community > to be mandatory to implement. any implementer can remove anything else > and still be checklist-compatible when customers are baking things off. > > if someone wants to implement iquery or WKS let that be crazy rather > than broken -- on-the-wire patterns still described, code points still > reserved, but unlikely to find anybody to actually interoperate with. > > vixie > > re: > > Matthew Pounsett wrote: >> >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 03:49, Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org >> <mailto:ondrej@isc.org>> wrote: >> >> >> Again, from experience from dnsext, I would strongly suggest that >> any work in this area is split into CHANGE documents and REWRITE >> documents, with strict scope. Documents rewriting existing RFCs >> while adding more stuff at the same time tend to not reach the >> finish line. >> >> Does this include combining documents? For example, it would probably >> make sense to combine some of the clarifications documents into any >> rewrite of 1034/1035. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DNSOP mailing list >> DNSOP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop >
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Michael Casadevall
- [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter bert hubert
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Job Snijders
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Tim Wicinski
- [DNSOP] New WG for document/protocol cleanup? Re:… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] New WG for document/protocol cleanup?… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] New WG for document/protocol cleanup? Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] New WG for document/protocol cleanup? Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] New WG for document/protocol cleanup?… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] New WG for document/protocol cleanup? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [DNSOP] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failur… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… bert hubert
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Michael Casadevall
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & chart… Richard Gibson