Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 17 February 2014 18:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
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On 2/17/14, 1:35 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote: >> Given experiences, I have to wonder if the whole idea of a long-term working group just leads to dysfunction -- perhaps the IETF version of an echo chamber (or perhaps even inbreeding). Perhaps a better approach would be to use something like DNSOP which has an operations bent is use to see if there are ideas/interest in particular topics that can drive the creation of working groups that focus on the specific DNS-related issues? > Yup. However, creating working groups is a pretty heavyweight process—I think that's what motivates the long-term model for protocols where frequent extensions are likely. Possibly rotating working group chairs more frequently would work in such cases. > The two dnsext releated items we covered in DNSOP were EDNS0 options. Since OPT codes are now assigned by expert review, putting some of that discussion where the largest collection of DNS experts reside has some logic to it. tim
- [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Startin… Zi Hu
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation … David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Watson Ladd
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Jay Daley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Delany
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Delany
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM