Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> Wed, 21 November 2018 18:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 11/21/18 9:33 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > [ - DNSOP (for clutter), +Heather / RFC Editor for sanity :-P ] > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:47 AM Sara Dickinson <sara@sinodun.com > <mailto:sara@sinodun.com>> wrote: > > > >> On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:42, Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm >> <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>> wrote: > > Thanks for the quick response. > >> >> Hi Sara, >>>> >>>> 1) >>>> >>>> In 7.4.2: >>>> >>>> | filter | O | T | "tcpdump" [pcap] style filter >>>> for | >>>> | | | | input. >>>> | >>>> >>>> This makes the [pcap] reference Normative. If you don't want to >>>> do that, please >>>> fully specify syntax in this document. >>> >>> Is that true if it is an optional field? >> Yes, optionallity of a field doesn't make its full specification >> optional. > > In which case it seems we can either include a more specific > normative reference here to this page: > http://www.tcpdump.org/manpages/pcap-filter.7.html > > or reproduce this page in an appendix. I’d prefer the former > unless a reference to such a web page would prove problematic as a > normative reference? > > > We discussed this on the telechat, and I took the action to try look > into this. > One of the concerns with a normative reference to the webpage is what > happens if it is updated to add a new primitive - is it allowed? If > someone implements this on Thursday, can they still claim conformance > if a new primitive is added on Friday? If there was a way to point to a particular snapshot of the page (e.g., a particular hash on a GitHub page, a particular timestamped version) that would get around this. > > What we made up on the call was to simply grab a copy of > http://www.tcpdump.org/manpages/pcap-filter.7.html (it seems to be > under the BSD license) and put it somewhere on ietf.org > <http://ietf.org>, so we have a stable snapshot to reference, and ask > you to point to that. > But, this was simply us making stuff up on the fly - I'm hoping that > the RFC Editor can tell us if this is sane or the worst idea ever, or > what....''' This also works, though I'd want to you all to think about the precedent this sets. Are you willing to do this on a regular basis? Managing a one off, dealing any any particular copyright issues (not a problem in this case, I believe, but it could be interesting in other cases), those are more challenging. -Heather > > W > > > > Sara. > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org <mailto:DNSOP@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf
- [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-d… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Sara Dickinson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Sara Dickinson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Sara Dickinson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Heather Flanagan
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ie… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Sara Dickinson
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Jim Hague
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on dr… Warren Kumari