[DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sha1
Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> Wed, 13 November 2024 19:02 UTC
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From: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sha1
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It was the red hat situation that led me to write this. Red hat should have gone to phase 6, not phase 7. I recommend moving SHASHA1 to phase 6 for the time being. Steve Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Philip Homburg <pch-dnsop-6@u-1.phicoh.com> wrote: > > >> >> See our I-D on lifecycle. It addresses this issue squarely. > > The problem is that RedHat went ahead and disabled support for SHASHA1 > (in the default configuration). That results in systems that > violate the current DNSSEC standards. It seems some people would like to > change the standards in such way that RedHat is no longer violating them. > > Regarding draft-crocker-dnsop-dnssec-algorithm-lifecycle I have two > questions: > 1) Do we expect to delay draft-ietf-dnsop-must-not-sha1 until after > the lifecycle has been accepted and published? > 2) The intended status of the lifecycle draft is informational. Do we > expect that the draft will have a big effect on the current discussion? >
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-r… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… jabley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sha1 Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP]Re: [Ext] Re: Questions before adopting mu… Kim Davies
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Tim Wicinski
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík