Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material

Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> Thu, 14 May 2015 11:07 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:06:57 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material
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On May 14, 2015, at 3:42 AM, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
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> I have a lot of agreement for what David is saying. What I say below may not of course point there, and he might not agree with me because this isn't a bilaterally equal thing, to agree with someone, but I do. I think I do agree with what he just said.
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> I think that prior use by private decision on something which was demonstrably an administered commons, with a body of practice around how it is managed, is a-social behaviour.

I think this is completely out of scope for the IETF,   The IETF has the job of deciding what works, not adjudicating what is fair.

We could never get consensus on what is fair here—for example, I find your position on this upsetting, because from a technical perspective what both the onion folks, the corp folks, apple, and for that matter hamachi did was simply expedient and sensible in the context of the time in which it was done, and not anti- or a-social, as you suggest. I do not mean to say that you are wrong, but simply to illustrate that this is not something about which we are likely to ever achieve consensus.

Nor should we. We simply need to do our job and decide on a technical level whether we want to add these names to the special use registry. We should stop arguing about morality and just do that.