Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme-split-dns?
Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Tue, 27 November 2018 15:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme-split-dns?
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Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > Snipped and edited to add numbering for reference... > 4. Split DNS, DNSSEC, trust anchor required because the hidden zone is > under or at an unsigned delegation > > 5. Split DNS, DNSSEC, trust anchor required because the hidden zone has > a secure delegation that won't validate [ snip lots of stuff I agree with ] > In cases four and five, you care enough to set up DNSSEC, but either > can't be arsed to do it right, or don't have control over the delegation > point and so can't do it right. In the former case, I would argue that > we should just say too bad. In the latter case, we have just protected > the end user from being attacked by saying too bad. Case 4 is pretty common for RFC 1918 reverse DNS :-) Really, I don't think this is (just) a VPN issue: the question of how to install DNSSEC trust anchors for private zones has not been solved for the general case, so a VPN-only patch seems premature and unhelpfully specific to me. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/ an equitable and peaceful international order
- [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme-spl… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-ipsecme… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Favor: Weigh in on draft-ietf-i… Paul Wouters