Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"
"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 20 July 2017 14:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Tony Finch wrote: > John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >> >> BULK absolutely requires online DNSSEC signing, > > This basically means that BULK is a master-only feature, which implies > that there's no need for BULK to work across zone transfers, which > implies the need to standardize it for interop is almost nonexistent. I can't speak for the draft's authors, but in previous correspondence I've gotten the impression that they believe that slaves that serve BULK can stay in sync via AXFR and IXFR. Perhaps they can clarify how this is supposed to work. I could sort of imagine a DNAME like scheme where the server returns the signed BULK and the generated record and the RRSIGs and NSECs to show that the name for which it was generated doesn't exist, so the cache that receives it can unscramble the mess, but wow, would that ever be a poster child for why this needs DNS versioning. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… sthaug
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Jim Reid
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- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
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- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Jim Reid
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- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] missing use case and problem statemen… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] missing use case and problem statemen… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has … Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodwor… Woodworth, John R
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