Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?
manning <bmanning@karoshi.com> Sat, 04 July 2015 00:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?
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Borrowing a snippet from the operational community (h/t Chris Morrow). If one replaces “subnet” with “domain”… —— this is really a form of: "A subnet should contain all things of a like purpose/use." that way you don't have to compromise and say: "Well... tcp/443 is OK for ABC units but deadly for XYZ ones! block to the 6 of 12 XYZ and permit to all ABC... wait, can you bounce off an ABC and still kill an XYZ? crap... pwned." segregation by function/purpose... best bet you can get. —— So I -think- we are on the same page here, although I would replace your use of the phrase, “name space” with domain. We have empirical evidence of multiple domains using the same name space. (Fred Baker persuaded me that there is a single name space, but we partition/segregate by function/purpose). The same name space for UUCP, CHAOS, Internet, Onion, etc… just different domains. manning bmanning@karoshi.com PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 3July2015Friday, at 14:58, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote: > On 3 Jul 2015, at 20:11, manning wrote: > >> I guess my question here is, what would prevent House Finch Feathers OY from applying for the DNS(IN) string ONION from ICANN because they want that as a TLD in the IN class? > > Nothing, if that is the goal, which I claim it is not. > > The goal is to ensure that portion of the name space, rooted at ONION, is _not_ existing the portion of the name space reachable by the normal DNS. To ensure the name space is properly partitioned. > > Patrik > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Paul Ferguson
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- [DNSOP] Top level names -- precision re categorie… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… P Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… P Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Top level names -- precision re categ… Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] Top level names -- precision re categ… Steve Crocker