Re: [DNSOP] Please review in terminology-bis: In-bailiwick, Out-of-bailiwick, In-domain, Sibling domain

[George Michaelson <[e-mail]>]

yes. this is good.

-G

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 12:30 PM,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> Adding a example as a text is a little complicated.
>
> Adding examples as a table is good ? or too large ?
>
> Delegation  | Parent | Name Server Name   | Type
>             | Zone   |                    |
> ------------+--------+--------------------+------------------------------
> com         | .      | a.gtld-servers.net | in-bailiwick / sibling domain
> net         | .      | a.gtld-servers.net | in-bailiwick / in-domain
> example.org | org    | ns.example.org     | in-bailiwick / in-domain
> example.org | org    | ns.ietf.org        | in-bailiwick / sibling domain
> example.org | org    | ns.example.com     | out-of-bailiwick
> example.jp  | jp     | ns.example.jp      | in-bailiwick / in-domain
> example.jp  | jp     | ns.example.ne.jp   | in-bailiwick / sibling domain
> example.jp  | jp     | ns.example.com     | out-of-bailiwick
>
> --
> Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS <[e-mail]>
>
>> From: George Michaelson <[e-mail]>
>> feels like a concrete example in a.b.c.example.com terms would help
>> define both in-baliwick, and out-of-baliwick, for the cases.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:42 PM,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> terminology-bis-08:
>>> | In-bailiwick: An adjective to describe a name server whose name is
>>> |    either subordinate to or (rarely) the same as the zone origin.
>>>
>>> Ok, In-bailwick in terminology-bis-08 may be restrictive because "the
>>> zone origin" is unclear. I intended that "the zone origin" is the zone
>>> origin of parent zone. The sentence needs more words.
>>>
>>> NEW
>>>
>>>   In-bailiwick: An adjective to describe a name server whose name is
>>>        either subordinate to or (rarely) the same as the origin
>>>        of the zone that contains the delegation to the name server.
>>>
>>> ... bad english text ... please fix.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS <[e-mail]>
>>>
>>>> From: Mark Andrews <[e-mail]>
>>>> The text for "in-bailwick" is too restrictive, it doesn’t just cover NS records or
>>>> glue records.
>>>>
>>>> In-bailwick refers to records that in the normal course of DNS resolution
>>>> would have been requested of by the server the current response is from.
>>>> e.g. if you are querying a .com server then all records in the response that end
>>>> with .com are in-bailwick.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Dec 2017, at 5:27 am, Paul Hoffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the new terms added to the terminology-bis draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis/)since RFC 7719 can be a bit tricky. This week, we hope you will look at the definitions in the draft for:
>>>>> - In-bailiwick
>>>>> - Out-of-bailiwick
>>>>> - In-domain
>>>>> - Sibling domain
>>>>> Please review these terms and comment on the list if you think the definitions should change.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Paul Hoffman
>>>>>
>>>>> [[ As a reminder, we asked the following last week, but got no reply: For the past many versions of the terminology-bis draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis/) Section 2 has definitions of "Global DNS" and "Private DNS", based on the facets listed in "Naming system". This was discussed heavily on the list earlier, but it is also a pretty big change, so we want to be sure that it is what the WG wants. Please review these terms and comment on the list if you think the definitions should change. ]]
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