Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-aname-00.txt
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> Wed, 12 April 2017 08:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-aname-00.txt
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On 04/11/2017 10:47 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:20:31PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> And in order to accommodate them, we upgrade the DNS server >> infrastructure across the Internet? > > Them, and web browser implementers who just don't want to use SRV. SRV wouldn't work anyway because it is incompatible with existing name resolution interfaces anyway. If you do not insist on using SRV, but something that is just an alias (like PTR, ANAME etc.) and processed in the client, it would be quite straightforward to put this into the stub resolver, and then all applications[*] would automatically get the addresses at the substitution name (SNAME). Disallow multiple substitution names per owner name and their chaining (but chaining to CNAME would be okay), and I think it would just work. But then DNS operators will worry about a 50% (from A/AAAA to A/AAAA/SNAME) to 150% (from A/AAAA to A/AAAA/SNAME plus A/AAAA at the SNAME) increase in query load. (SRV would be worse because there could be multiple target names, all needing separate processing.) Would that be acceptable? I don't know. In fact, Firefox already solved the issue in the client: If you enter the zone apex, and no address record exists, it automatically redirects to the www name in the zone. Unfortunately, DNS operators broke that when they started rewriting NODATA responses, injecting ads into existing domains. So you really have to have addresses at the zone apex these days. Thanks, Florian [*] At least all applications which correctly deal with enterprise name lookup, which can involve NIS and LDAP, too, not just DNS.
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Jan Včelák
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… 神明達哉
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… 神明達哉
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Lanlan Pan
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-aname-0… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Job Snijders
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] new ANAME draft: draft-hunt-dnsop-ana… 神明達哉