Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 24 March 2018 09:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt
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>>  I see a message on dnsop from you proposing a bunch of things
>>  including "rationalizing" names, and comments from Andrew and Peter
>>  saying they like that approach.
>
> I am not finding any message from me with that word in it, so I've no idea 
> what you are referring to.

Perhaps the link you sent was to the wrong message:

>    https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg20708.html

It says:

  2. Create a separate document that specifies modifications to the SRV and
  URI documents, rationalizing the use of underscore names, through the
  mechanism defined in -attrleaf-.

> Take a look, at the latest draft.  If you have concerns with it, please point 
> to specific text in it.

Same problems that Vixie, Andrei, and I have been pointing to all along. 
It retroactively redefines SRV and contradicts RFC 6335.

See the link I sent yesterday to a version I wrote that sets up a registry 
that documents existing practice without trying to change history.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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