Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-rfc5011-security-considerations-02.txt

Petr Špaček <petr.spacek@nic.cz> Mon, 06 February 2017 16:04 UTC

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On 02/06/2017 01:11 PM, Shane Kerr wrote:
> Warren,
> 
> I am still wondering about the:
> 
>    3 * (DNSKEY RRSIG Signature Validity) / 2
> 
> Term in the draft, which I see survived the update.
> 
> Why is this not just the DNSKEY RRSIG Signature Validity? In principle
> once the signature has expired it cannot be used to replay the old
> DNSKEY RRset right?

Shane was faster than me, I'm also wondering how 3/2 got here.

I expect that 3/2 = 2/2 to avoid replay attack + 1/2 from RFC 5011.

In any case, it would be awesome if each component in section 6 had own
explanation what role the particular component plays in the equation.

-- 
Petr Špaček  @  CZ.NIC

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> --
> Shane
> 
> At 2017-02-03 21:14:03 -0500
> Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Was and I have updated this document to make it clearer and more
>> readable. Please take a read and let us know if any parts are unclear,
>> if you have any other feedback, etc.
>>
>> Is this close to done?