Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hoffman-dnssec-iana-cons

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Wed, 06 January 2021 22:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hoffman-dnssec-iana-cons
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 16:30, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:
> 
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>> Remember also that TLS ciphers are negotiated.
> 
> A better analogy might be "although TLS key exchange and encryption ciphers are negotiated, the signing algorithm on the server's certificate is not negotiated". DNSSEC signing is much more akin to the latter, I think.
> 
>> There is no negotiation
>> in DNSSEC.
> 
> Quite right, just as there is no negotiation for the authentication in TLS.

I stand corrected. You are right.

Paul