Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"
Davey Song <songlinjian@gmail.com> Fri, 22 May 2020 04:02 UTC
Return-Path: <songlinjian@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810833A0E66 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 May 2020 21:02:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r_9BoP-dq8Z0 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 May 2020 21:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-qt1-x82f.google.com (mail-qt1-x82f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 298743A0E65 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 May 2020 21:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-qt1-x82f.google.com with SMTP id n22so7313988qtv.12 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 May 2020 21:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=E08jQs9AjT+82V0sSIdt48lppA0invTSWnUkUfQaML8=; b=uzKzUeJ4dTHrtXEyiRPZZb5t1OiFoFHnIbDe7FD11fH4vOrB+sIGZwqPZb5Z1p0gyE tmGnI8fCetVt/RNt2EYA73Zir2R4F/34dkB2CG4QEyWeRFqqTiqkBR2wqj+M3mxL209s 44oyIfYjib3Wgqzg+I8UwdI8J12uN9mtQTmQUzBCwtKG+j70UxCdbKGXASjmTp40pE0M VKPjBy0RcJRPYZYMXRTjOf2vNtcdgIIsEB6PO2FKZdWBzmKwpCsgc3YcnO9ookuo3LDr 5OSH8z7y+F3I9WGE6x8tH+E34bNkzqn3gaDgq9Nuzf8vz96p4TwDTmCWlAOyF7prnofp K7Xg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=E08jQs9AjT+82V0sSIdt48lppA0invTSWnUkUfQaML8=; b=Kf6X9LDuAmweKUe4HYheG5VjfO3x8uL5B4t6r2bBzOKvjudyXeoSv3R/SJyOOUF6W5 DR1hjnoJT2+Kq9uKTdeExCkQM2HLbcdOArHXWSjmO0UNJQ1Erd07duuHELPaTZ5PaZJf Oy8+epAb1KfLzwZe6KKmD/bqEtM2PE8UXFccnqfri6+8XnsShbMeJgTYnEW741ntCXg5 5hwWc87bh8KIICKrdQKwkQk8wd6unnQQHzk7TxovaFXNVuPAbTZkrQlc1XmZdd/27mej KRO+R5Os4iKTXtMRotVJ6yA79PW6GdvMzD3Lp45SWv/alZCMBZpWMULgtxzLNGwXWL+W X7CA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532nqf9cBmMwzhk3qCQsAHy4fhkbOB8qt4VtxzjK7uVMeiOzEp2U j/k+Jjo5kh5ivXQmLKMNAHor0MBc0EDi42RfqGo=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz4Cr4YdMiiBrbOwNghWacFjrBcx+I89vVxRDRnzhJ29aFLgh10kP+cdKbzlqP+fSgSD/fGOBuF9gFi2+Lq1Vg=
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:226d:: with SMTP id p42mr34056qtp.1.1590120129899; Thu, 21 May 2020 21:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CAKr6gn0Fqk0qNCs5wbptN+rWRBQgBKom4iiudW0V1Xrj3fmE7Q@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAKr6gn0Fqk0qNCs5wbptN+rWRBQgBKom4iiudW0V1Xrj3fmE7Q@mail.gmail.com>
From: Davey Song <songlinjian@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:01:58 +0800
Message-ID: <CAAObRXLy4ezbCfMDwg=FLEEnf8W8D7=wQ8_0=t3qCq6h6JY38A@mail.gmail.com>
To: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Cc: dnsop WG <dnsop@ietf.org>, George Kuo <george@apnic.net>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007e328c05a634b195"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/jRUzSKaLvPFxjXURPXtlshzT_fw>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 04:02:14 -0000
IMHO, public DNS is not a technical jargon which needs a DNS terminology RFC to record (it collects all DNS definition and terms from other DNS RFC). The term "Public DNS" or "Public DNS service" belongs to the scope of how people provide and operate DNS services to their best interests. There are many similar terms, such as Cloud DNS, Dynamic DNS, DNS firewall, and many DNS-attacking terms. BTW, I'm happy to see there is a document to define all DNS attacks and mitigation suggestions. Best regards, Davey On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 08:56, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote: > My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS > service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" > > Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of > what Google, quad9, CloudFlare and others do. The various clean DNS > feeds people subscribe to, it is the functional role of a recursive, > but to the public, yet somehow not the bad one of an open DNS resolver > being abused to do DDoS: its the conscious service offering of a > recursive/cache/forwarder in the public view, a declared intent. > > A Google search lists (some of) them by name and IP. > > I asked "Dr Johnson" (Paul Hoffman) why it was not in his dictionary, > and he said he is but the humble scribe, and words appear in the > dictionary when he is directed. > > What does the WG feel? The definitions of the "elements" of a public > DNS service are of course defined. But not (I feel) the "collected > whole" which most definitely exists, out there. > > (if anyone feels this is adequately defined, please correct me and share a > URL) > > -George > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop >
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Davey Song
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Andrew Campling
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Bill Woodcock
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" dagon
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Bill Woodcock
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service" George Michaelson