Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)

Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Sun, 16 February 2014 13:46 UTC

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On 2/15/2014 11:15 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> The largest problem for IETF and DNS innovation is that the consensus in
> IETF seems to be that innovation of DNS is not possible unless it
> involves reuse of the TXT resource record.


That assertion is quite wrong on both process and technical grounds

Process:

      There is certainly a long history of very strong resistance from a 
core group of DNS advocates in the IETF; and yes, there is an IAB report 
that doesn't like TXT usage.

      But there is also a long history of other folk adding DNS usage in 
spite of that.

      So a casual claim of "IETF consensus" is simply false.

Technical:

      The use of underscore-based naming variations has provided an 
easy, efficient and safe means of eliminating TXT usage ambiguity.  By 
way of examples, note the SRV record and DKIM, but there are others.


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Dave Crocker
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