Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49 UTC

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From: Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:49:04 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...
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On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:44 AM Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> On 22 May 2020, at 08:47, Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
>
> > John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A week or two ago I scannned TLD zone files to see how many signed A
> and AAAA
> >> records there were.  Quite a lot, most looks to be orphan glue in
> Afilias
> >> zones that they didn't delete after the registered zone went away.
> >
> > I vaguely remember a policy change in .com and .net years ago when they
> > stopped including orphan glue in the zones. Was this to do with prep work
> > for DNSSEC? I'm slightly surprised .org didn't follow suit.
>
> I think the change you remember was a change in the way that responses
> were returned from the Atlas nameserver. Once upon a time, glue was
> returned in the answer section alongside a referral. The change I am
> thinking of changed that behaviour to follow other implementations,
> returning glue in the additional section instead.
>

Here's the announcement of that change from Verisign (January 2010):


https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-January/004841.html

Shumon.