Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-let-localhost-be-localhost-02

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 02 February 2018 02:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-let-localhost-be-localhost-02
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On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
> Can we take a brief pause to acknowledge that "the DNS" as a phrase is highly ambiguous and think about whether we mean the protocol, any particular implementation, any particular installation or the namespace (and if so, which one, since there are many, even if our context is a single Root Server System serving a single Root Zone, note capitals, which I think it should be).

This is the distinction I was trying to hit (and that I think Andrew agreed on) when I made the distinction between the set of all domain names, and the set of names "in the DNS."