Re: [DNSOP] Public Suffix List

Wes Hardaker <> Tue, 10 June 2008 16:18 UTC

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>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:10:32 +0100, Gervase Markham <> said:

>> * Mozilla's methods of arm-twisting 

GM> We aren't twisting anyone's arm. We are making a request for help.

Here's how you sound (with example quotes from your real text):

* We, mozilla, need to come up with a new administrative structure that
  encompasses every site out there and hard code it into a piece of

  "We are maintaining a list of all "Public Suffixes".

  "including a version of the list, is about to ship in Firefox 3"

* We, mozilla, obviously can't do this ourselves so you must do it for
  us or else negative things will happen (and you'll be at fault, not
  us, mozilla).  Please continue to do this work for us till the end of
  time.  Oh, and we need it immediately.

  "Any errors may either cause your customers (domain owners in your
  TLD) to not be able to set cookies when they should"

  "We also ask you to send updated information whenever you change your
  registration policies in a way which affects the list."

  "is about to ship in Firefox 3"

  "Just as a matter of fact, Firefox 3 ships in a week; there is no
  possibility of further change in that release."

* We, mozilla, won't work on any other solution because we don't think
  it'll work or it'll take too much effort and we refuse to help out in
  those ventures even if they might be better.  Please stop talking
  about alternatives as we don't want your opinions on them.

  "I am not particularly interested in a long discussion about whether
  we need this data. Please be assured that we need it."

You guys have done amazing work in the past, and will continue to do so
in the future I'm sure.  But the policy of "we're right; you're wrong;
please spend your energy the way we want" is not one that is going to go
over well.  Especially when it appears more people disagree with your
solution than agree with it.

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