Re: [DNSOP] BULK RR as optional feature

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Wed, 29 March 2017 00:25 UTC

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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:25:22 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] BULK RR as optional feature
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Wouldn't a BULK RR ignorant DNS server just store the BULK RR as opaque data?

Thanks,
Donald
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On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 2:31 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> At yesterday's session, Tale confirmed that since BULK adds so much
> new special purpose complexity to DNS servers, the plan is that
> support for it will be optional.
>
> An optional RRTYPE with extra semantics introduces some new
> compatibility problems.  What happens if a server that doesn't support
> BULK tries to load a local zone file with a BULK record.  Does it
> reject the whole file, ignore the record, or something else?  What if
> such a server receives BULK by AXFR?  By IXFR?  What if one shows up
> in a cache from a buggy authoritative server?  In all of these cases,
> the current RFC 3597 behavior will just return the BULK record which
> seems wrong.
>
> I continue to think that this kind of feature belongs in special
> purpose DNS servers, not in the core DNS.
>
> R's,
> John
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