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Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-01.txt

Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> Thu, 25 July 2019 17:02 UTC

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From: Evan Hunt <each@isc.org>
To: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-01.txt
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 03:36:39PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote:
> These abbreviations are about identifying the transport that is being used
> for the DNS messages. One problem with Do53 is that it isn't specific
> about the transport, because it covers both UDP and TCP. But it's a handy
> abbreviation for DNS over traditional transports. It doesn't identify DNS
> as a whole, just the framing of DNS messages in UDP and TCP.

The other day at ANRW, a paper was presented that compared performance of
DoH, DoT, and Do53. It was unclear to me what transport the authors had
used for their Do53 measaurements - and it makes a significant difference.
I don't know, even now, whether the comparison was apples-to-apples or not.

"Do53" is a handy abbreviation, but I'm concerned that using it as a
coequal peer of DoT and DoH will lead to fuzzy thinking.

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Evan Hunt -- each@isc.org
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