Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-xpf-04.txt

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Thu, 15 March 2018 14:45 UTC

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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
To: Ray Bellis <ray@bellis.me.uk>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-xpf-04.txt
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, Ray Bellis wrote:

>>> It could mention DNS-COOKIES as one way to avoid spoofing issues.
>>
>> That sounds like a good idea.
>
> On reflection (and discussion with one of my co-authors) we think that
> would be problematic.
>
> Don't forget that the issue here is non-spoofability of the internal
> channel _between the front-end forwarder and the back-end server_, and
> not end-to-end.

Makes sense. So forget about DNS-COOKIES :)

Paul