Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> Fri, 31 August 2018 14:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)
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On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>; wrote:
> ยง2"
> - Definition of "Domain Name": I don't profess to be a naming expert, but this
> definition doesn't seem very satisfying.

It was unsatisfying to everyone, but deemed better than the nothing that we had before this. It would be grand if someone (more likely the IAB than the IESG) pulled together a work team to answer "what is a name, really, when you think hard about it?" Domain names would be a subset of this (if there was a usable answer).

>  It potentially defines things that I
> wouldn't consider domain names.

We tried to prevent that, but we wanted to keep to defining "domain names" without prejudice of DNS names.

> Is there no representation, intent, or other
> context that distinguishes an ordered list of labels that is a domain name from
> your garden variety ordered lists of labels? (or is the point of this that they
> cannot be distinguished?)

The latter.

> - Definition of IDN: 'The current standard, normally called "IDNA2008"...'
> That may not age well. I suggest  something to the effect of "The current
> standard at the time of this writing, ..."

Good point, will add.

--Paul Hoffman