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Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Wed, 08 February 2017 06:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.
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In message <FFAFD844-824C-44EA-A4B1-1AD28B4FE95C@fugue.com>, Ted Lemon writes:
>
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 12:25 AM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
> > And how does the server get the proof of non-existence?  It needs
> > to leak a query.
>
> If it has proof of non-existence for .alt cached, it doesn't need to ask
> any further questions to deny the existence of any subdomain of .alt.

Which assumes agggressive negative caching.   I'm going to make a
realistic assumption that it will take 10+ years for there to be
meaningful (>50%) deployment of aggressive negative caching.

> Leaking a query to .alt is harmless.

Is it?  What reports are we going to see over the next 20 year of
DITL data on *.alt.

Mark

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