Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-05.txt

Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> Thu, 29 September 2016 13:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-05.txt
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> On 29 Sep 2016, at 13:24, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Where’s the demand from experimenters
> 
> The demand? You see it in the use of non-ICANN TLDs like .onion or
> .bit.
> 
>> and why do they need a dedicated TLD for their alterate resolution
>> systems?
> 
> You may think they don't NEED it but how will you convince them? (The
> IETF has no police force, so our only course of action would be to
> convince people.)
> 
>> FWIW I’m sceptical about creating .alt as a playpen for experiments
>> since it might undermine efforts to answer the question ICANN asked
>> us,
> 
> ICANN asked us what? When and where (URL, please)?

Stephane, please stop this rat-holing and whatabootery. [Raising non-sequiturs: what about...] It is not helping the production of a problem statement. I hope you can focus your efforts on that.