Re: [DNSOP] DNS names for local networks - not only home residental networks ...

Warren Kumari <> Sun, 03 September 2017 00:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNS names for local networks - not only home residental networks ...
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On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Paul Wouters <> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Walter H. wrote:
>>> If you are a company and you are using a hardcoded domain of "local",
>>> then you have been and still are, completely broken. The only fix is to
>>> rename your network.
>> ACK and which non public domain name I can use for this
>>   that doesn't conflict now and will not conflict in the future?
> Something that's yours and not squatted. For example
> Please see the last three years of dnsops and homenet working group list
> archives.

... perhaps the other way of looking at the last thirty three years of
DNS is that people *do* actually want something like this, and that
perhaps it is time to actually create something specifically for it.
Our smacking people on the nose with rolled up newspapers and saying
"no, bad operator" ignores the fact that people still want this, and
still do this, and there ain't nothing we can do to stop them...

And so:

This asks for a Special Use Name, specifically for this sort of thing
(and, yes, for building test networks, and for labeling devices which
have no Internet connection, etc). The desire and need for something
like this has been identified / discussed for a long time - the most
recent was probably when we decided that .alt would only be for
non-DNS contexts, and that someone should go make something like this
for the DNS - think of it like RFC1918 for names.
 It will require an unsecured delegation, for which we currently have
no process, and this (if people think it is a good idea!) will require
process to be created -- which A: will take many many years, and B: if
at least somewhat unlikely to happen -- but, if we don't at least ask,
we certainly won't get it...

And yes, this is somewhat of a straw-man.

> Paul
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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.