Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data
Witold Krecicki <wpk@isc.org> Fri, 02 August 2019 14:46 UTC
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From: Witold Krecicki <wpk@isc.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data
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W dniu 02.08.2019 o 16:32, Paul Ebersman pisze: > ebersman> If what you're arguing for is something that's actually mixed > ebersman> into the zone data, how do you handle non-compatible/legacy > ebersman> and avoid leakage? > > wpk> non-compatible/legacy servers won't know the RRTypes that are > wpk> covert - and therefore won't be able to load them from disk. > > In a polite/sane implementation, sure. But I have scars from my years at > ISC tech support dealing with very broken implementations not done by > the usual FOSS DNS folks. They might fail to load the zone at all, might > stop loading and serve what they have, only serve what they recognize, > crash, etc. They should fail to load the zone as it will contain RRs that it does not understand. As long as they won't serve covert records to general public - I don't really care. Witold
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- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Bill Woodcock
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Wessels, Duane
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- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Dan Mahoney
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Samuel Weiler
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Tim Wattenberg
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Ebersman
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Dan Mahoney
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Ebersman
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Dan Mahoney
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Ebersman
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Ebersman
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Ebersman
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Dan Mahoney
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Paul Ebersman
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Witold Krecicki
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data JW λ John Woodworth