Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Dave Crocker <> Tue, 09 October 2018 19:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 10/9/2018 2:45 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> This is based on an assumption that document authors who add 
> enumservices are more likely to notice the need [1] to add their service 
> name to two tables than the IANA are. Given the respective levels of 
> rigor, that seems like a losing bet.

There is certainly a substantive discussion to have about this, since 
the working group did.

But I'll suggest something simple, in the hope that it actually 
simplifies things in process terms:

      This issue was discussed at some length within the working group,
      including disagreements of the sort you raise now.  Eventually the
      working group finally settled on the choices made in the draft.

That is, this is a matter of some tradeoffs that the working group 


ps. FWIW Personal comment:  having to coordinate tables based the SRV 
spec is unfortunate.  Thinking about having to factor in the URI details 
pretty much blew me by the fact of it's using /two/ tables and how it 
used them.

Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking