Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Mon, 17 February 2014 16:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
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I am not convinced that DNS belongs in the Internet area. It's an application. I think if we need a place to discuss broader DNS innovation, then it should be in Applications. But I also have pretty strong doubts that "DNS innovation" needs a place for such discussion, on the grounds that when we _had_ such a WG nobody did any work. It was just a mailing list and WG for people to say, "Get off my lawn." Document reviews languished for months or years. LCs resulted in no comments. Why shouldn't that work go on in the WGs that want the innovations in question? Why shouldn't people who know about the DNS involve themselves in the protocols that want to use these innovations so that, instead of being Defenders of the Protocol Faith, they are engineers trying to solve practical engineering problems that others have, but in a way consistent with the deployed architecture? Best regards, A On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:22:19AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote: > > DNSOP needs > > to broaden its charter, or we need to revive some kind of DNSEXT group. > > We would need to find some volunteers to act as co-chair. I don't think adding the work to the DNSOP charter is the right thing to do, although I am not wedded to that position. I just suspect that (a) it will make life in DNSOP harder and (b) we will get better review in an intarea working group. But that's a fairly artificial point to be making, so argue away! :) > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Startin… Zi Hu
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation … David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Watson Ladd
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Jay Daley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Delany
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Delany
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM