Re: [DNSOP] Delegation into the interior of a zone?

Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> Thu, 27 December 2018 20:00 UTC

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John Levine wrote:
> Over in bind-users somone suggested a CIDR rDNS kludge in which you
> delegate a bunch of names out of a rDNS zone to a second server,
> and the second server answers them all from one zone, like this
>
> $ORIGIN 1.1.1.in-addr.arpa.
> @ SOA blah
>
> 10 NS otherserver
> 11 NS otherserver
> 12 NS otherserver

in RFC 2317 we do this with CNAME not NS. did the proponent explain why 
CNAME wasn't suitable for her purposes?

>
>
> and on the other server
>
> $ORIGIN 1.1.1.in-addr.arpa.
> @ SOA blah
>
> 10 PTR foo
> 11 PTR bar
> 12 PTR baz
>
> That is, the two zones have the same apex, and NS records point into
> the interior of the second zone, not at the apex.  That works in BIND,
> of course, but it seems wrong.  I am having trouble tracking down the
> specification of why it is wrong.

if the old domain-obscenity-checker (DoC) which came out with the 
domain-information-groper (DiG) back in the 1980's says it's wrong, then 
it's wrong. if the specifications don't cover this case, they are 
incomplete. or at least, that's how i do things.

>
> Any sugestions?  It would fail with DNSSEC since there's no DNSKEY
> to match the delegation DS, but how wrong was it before that?
>
> Signed,
> Confused

first i'd have to know what problem caused by CNAME in the outer zone 
they think they are solving using NS.

-- 
P Vixie