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Re: [DNSOP] Privacy and DNSSEC

Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> Wed, 29 April 2020 15:54 UTC

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From: Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:54:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Privacy and DNSSEC
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to the list, after Paul Wouters replied to me privately.

I realize now this was Paul W responding to Paul V. I thought in
my response below I was replying again to Paul V!

My apologies ..

Shumon.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:45 AM Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:34 AM Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, Paul Vixie wrote:
>>
>> > no. i mean that the decision to require a "clear path" for DNSSEC meant
>> that
>> > no DNSSEC-dependent application has ever received investment. for
>> example,
>> > DANE is interesting in the SMTP market because that's small and geeky,
>> but
>> > will never be adopted by the Web because there are too many endpoints
>> who
>> > cannot do stub validation and too many who will never be able to.
>>
>> You seem to think that the Web(PKI) not accepting DNSSEC was a technical
>> problem. While there were technical issues, I don't think the acceptance
>> or not had anything to do with technology.
>>
>
> Nope, I'm fully aware of all the non-technical issues and resistance (and
> have described some of that in the article). But there were a small
> contingent
> of web folks that were interested in DANE, and that might have been enough
> to gain an initial foothold there. You have to start somewhere.
>
> Shumon.
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