Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-isp-ip6rdns-03.txt

Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> Wed, 03 May 2017 12:21 UTC

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From: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-isp-ip6rdns-03.txt
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:10:01 AM GMT Lee Howard wrote:
> On 5/2/17, 3:16 PM, "DNSOP on behalf of Paul Vixie"
> >since this isn't an ideal or intended state of affairs, let's consider
> >the size and shape of the box, not just what's in there.
> >
> >http://www.circleid.com/posts/20110607_two_stage_filtering_for_ipv6_electr
> >onic_mail/
> 
> I think I read that post six years ago, too. :)
> 
> I don¹t think that recommendations on fighting spam are in scope for this
> document, though. Is there text you think should be added?

if you think the draft you have is the approach you must follow, then no.

however, the people fighting about PTR's are doing so because of spam control. 
there is no other operable modern need for these records in IP6.ARPA. it's a 
fight you can't win, because there is no right answer.

i suggest that you offer the PTR people a better way to do what they want to 
do, so that you can create an exit scenario from this debacle that would 
actually please somebody.

vixie