Re: [DNSOP] Possible greater value for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation

Raffaele Sommese <raffysommy@gmail.com> Wed, 11 August 2021 19:48 UTC

Return-Path: <raffysommy@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AC53A2221 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:48:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PCSVH0mIGU0d for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-qt1-x82d.google.com (mail-qt1-x82d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFFFF3A221E for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-qt1-x82d.google.com with SMTP id l24so3071879qtj.4 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=i8IsNVpMuGQDk04b8IgmdCEBixt3gX5nrE3PeeIjMeU=; b=I71RnD9AQDO01OE6Aw18qKYRdIA+2qNNYMm+EEsLDSc5lHK48t+4m0m+8qRRKuyj5E gD8tfKsL3aYbMF5S0Q8oOQz7Z2Fy3vzbns534R18lTrxW+t0HJhGbGyfcrNR6D4vpP+b rr7B2g3pFYDhw6+ZCkUU3q8un+ZFhzWkzBjfNXmwfs9KzjZl14U5XpKlUhpRAC+y8pW3 XRzA/37ZS19kzXel0pjo3bRJI4hIL70C9Fxr928WpYf9MVDDUMq0tueF7iJR67P7tZeV Pt1TJ6cBKQGNGdJN5KqmW2DwJ+fwxFR/VYf6f9F69mM+UVlvkJMFC86B3sVYWhJ1wd78 uv1A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i8IsNVpMuGQDk04b8IgmdCEBixt3gX5nrE3PeeIjMeU=; b=JfOf7KdtMRKkxiRILuDh3Zl//M5WDKbUiU6syNBHe4TN2VJB/yOuPVH8kdnAJBi6v9 /pg4QtLTDdRhtt+08BWyYF//9ZiOcZJ6konbaa/0TG4qRcdJ4umtUtC4athDGQksJRL/ eB5OcIrZaRyTFyEX09JuEvE28WypT7FshORka07RuZiqUZx5m6oyIbo39h2yVXgC7+Ja wNUPO0NvnvMgS6VhSPjt8poap4YW6QcT/T9QsCX9tzXaFdAl3tXtVUVljYDXQ/xY1odH akvbCnXfJI7JZlNPaSKS2nq3AsnphvmrWtclhi5h10EOtzf7Y2RyHu+Qf3hSMIZ/DV3A 8umA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530baO/Mb9LOj/f3UfEnBDMGz/c+/r5XSpN2Mrum9KRfIHuARL3Q MNFM+02C+VZFvFFcwUARDDQ1u+glFXrraWhiLAY=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwRaZ324LHeO3XCCcc4GHScQcPufCmouE3mJA4oNq7mMb1Ie0++uwS5yBn33w8ril+T8qz6JO0aqTfU5aBx7yE=
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7d48:: with SMTP id h8mr340607qtb.299.1628711272930; Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <5EC4E79F-0E29-4BDF-8D06-12AFB634BD9F@icann.org> <CAHPuVdU+C9w5F8cFMFDfSR_Bo+8dRapLUHRBPjtxBSzadDu6nw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAHPuVdU+C9w5F8cFMFDfSR_Bo+8dRapLUHRBPjtxBSzadDu6nw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Raffaele Sommese <raffysommy@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:47:41 +0100
Message-ID: <CADAVnLFTZTcaU6y-Y1TLNtoh6Ss=_hMdw2b5F6QbVapx_P_xKw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>
Cc: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>, dnsop <dnsop@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dd62de05c94de495"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/ry3reaXPgM3u2K7MCgBvF-sCqIE>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Possible greater value for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 19:48:02 -0000

My 2 cents as co-author of [1,2]:
We find more or less similar percentages of parent-child glue
inconsistencies (5-12% of SLDs,  Table 12) compared to NS inconsistencies.
Therefore, I think that glue revalidation should be included in the process.
Best,
Raffaele


[1]
https://www.caida.org/catalog/papers/2020_unresolved_issues/unresolved_issues.pdf
[2]
https://www.caida.org/catalog/papers/2020_when_parents_children_disagree/when_parents_children_disagree.pdf

Il mar 10 ago 2021, 20:48 Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 1:55 PM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings again. In the DPRIVE WG, we are discussing a proposal that
>> would make encrypting transport on a first lookup more likely using a DS
>> hack. Whether or not that becomes a WG item in DPRIVE, it reminded me that
>> DNSOP had not finished with draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation, and that this
>> draft could be expanded beyond revalidating just NS RRsets to revalidating
>> all glue.
>>
>
> Paul,
>
> I think that's a reasonable thing to consider (and I suspect some
> resolvers may already revalidate glue), as long as it's done lazily (or in
> parallel) and doesn't interpose additional delay in following a referral.
> I'll await other comments ..
>
> But I'm trying to better understand the connection to the DS hack draft
> (I've not followed it very closely, I'll admit). Does it require or benefit
> from glue revalidation? Isn't the child zone owner explicitly putting its
> NS name and addresses into the hacked DS record at the parent?
>
> Given the results of the survey and the possible cross-WG interest, I'd
>> like to see draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation moved forward in DNSOP sooner
>> rather than later.
>>
>
> I'm working on the remaining loose ends and plan to push another update
> soon.
>
> Shumon.
>
> _______________________________________________
> DNSOP mailing list
> DNSOP@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
>