Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards track?
Marek Vavruša <mvavrusa@cloudflare.com> Tue, 17 July 2018 18:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards track?
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I'd like to see this on the standards track as well. Cloudflare has some operational experience with it (it's enabled by default on 1.1.1.1). It mostly works, but still has to be turned off on several delegations that either don't respond to non-terminals, respond with positive answer that's invalid (usually when there's an LB that only handles final name, but gives out a referral to intermediate name), or respond with nxdomain (this is the most common one and well known). On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:01 AM, tjw ietf <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > I’d like to see a more fleshed out operational considerations section. > > Tim > As chair > > From my high tech gadget > >> On Jul 17, 2018, at 08:14, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote: >> >> Greetings. With more resolvers implementing QNAME minimisation, and >> even turning it on by default, we thought that this is a good time to >> update RFC 7816 and make it a standard. In order to get things moving, >> we have published a very early draft draft-bortzmeyer-rfc7816bis-00 >> that is mostly the original RFC but with a few questions and holes >> added (see the text near the strings "TODO"). If folks in the WG is >> interested, feel free to comment in the non-GitHub repo listed in the >> draft, or here on the list. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DNSOP mailing list >> DNSOP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
- [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards track? Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Puneet Sood
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Marek Vavruša
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… manu tman
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Sara Dickinson
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Dan York
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Jonathan Reed
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards t… manu tman