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Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-let-localhost-be-localhost-02

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Sat, 10 February 2018 21:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-let-localhost-be-localhost-02
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On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
> There are many things which would be safer, less complex, and safer if
> search lists didn't exist -- would people be interested in discussing
> the idea, or is it just too out there?

I think there's not much to discuss.   Whenever it comes up, there's a loud protest that search lists are way too convenient to deprecate, and then it gets dropped.   I'd be game to try again—it's possible that we've finally learned not to leave stupid attack surfaces open.

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