Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> Fri, 22 May 2020 21:59 UTC

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> On May 22, 2020, at 3:38 AM, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
> 
> On Friday, 22 May 2020 00:55:34 UTC George Michaelson wrote:
>> My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS
>> service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service"
>> 
>> Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of
>> what Google, quad9, CloudFlare and others do. The various clean DNS
>> feeds people subscribe to, it is the functional role of a recursive,
>> but to the public, yet somehow not the bad one of an open DNS resolver
>> being abused to do DDoS: its the conscious service offering of a
>> recursive/cache/forwarder in the public view, a declared intent.
> 
> these services aren't public in any way, and should not be described as
> public. they are operated privately for private purposes

True of Google and Cloudflare, not true of Quad9.

> a county park is public. anycast RDNS is a business.

Again, true of Google and Cloudflare, but not true of Quad9.

                                -Bill