Re: [DNSOP] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-05: (with DISCUSS)

"Mankin, Allison" <amankin@verisign.com> Wed, 06 January 2016 16:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-05: (with DISCUSS)
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Alvaro,

The draft aims for PS, not IS. I think you've found an XML editing bug on our part. We wouldn't expect to go IS, given this bis includes new material. So this was a great catch.

Thanks,
Allison

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> On Jan 6, 2016, at 11:43, Alvaro Retana <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
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> I don’t have concerns over the technical content of this document, but I
> do have want to raise a process-related DISCUSS.
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> The Intended RFC Status of this document is “Internet Standard”, which
> seems like a logical progression from RFC5966 (Proposed Standard). 
> However, I am concerned that the proper process was not followed:
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> 1. RFC6410 calls for “an IETF-wide Last Call of at least four weeks”, but
> the LS started on Nov/23 and ended on Dec/7, 2 weeks.
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> 2. In looking at the archives I couldn’t find any discussion about
> changing the maturity level.
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> 3. It also concerns me that the changes go beyond a simple revision of
> the old text.  For example, there are recommendations that are completely
> new and for topics that were not even mentioned in the original (e.g.
> pipelining).
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> I may have missed the discussions in the archive.  Not being a DNS expert
> I may also be overestimating the changes to this document. But knowing
> that the “document was actively discussed and reviewed” and that it “had
> a broad discussion as the wording of several points were more accurately
> described” (from the Shepherd’s write up), I think that this document may
> not be ready to be an Internet Standard.
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> The obvious solution to this DISCUSS is to change the intended status to
> Proposed Standard.
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