Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes
Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Mon, 10 July 2017 01:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes
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In message <m2fue51kek.wl-randy@psg.com>, Randy Bush writes: > while i enjoy berating vendors for bugs and poor feature sets as much as > the next person, well maybe more, it's a target rich environment. if we > could come to agreement on what the right thing is, what we actually > want here, we could at least beat them on the right vector. a) For DNS tools to support unknown types and classes (RFC 3597). b) For DNS tools to add support for allocated data types within X months of them being assigned by IANA. Allocated types are supposed to have stable wire and presentation formats. for a reasonable value of X (<= 12?). > but as i said at the beginning, i am not even sure dns classes are the > answer. this is exacerbated by the draft in question trying to shoot > down the users' needs without even exploring them. and that is still my > main issue. we're shooting down solutions when we have not yet defined > the problem. > > 30c in praha today > > randy -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
- [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnso… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ralph Droms
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] new DNS classes Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] draft-sullivan-dns-class-useless (was Re:… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes shogunx
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Martin Rex
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Cake
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Andrew Sullivan