Re: [DNSOP] WG review of draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03

Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 21 March 2017 14:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] WG review of draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03
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> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 01:14:25PM -0400, Ralph Droms wrote:
> 
>> Russ - In my opinion, the special-use domain registry is not being
>> used to put the name in the root zone.  The observation is that the
>> special-use definition of this TLD requires both an entry in the
>> special-use domain name registry, and an entry in the root zone
> 
> I am having a hard time making the above two sentences consistent.
> This special-use case requires an entry in the root zone, and so by
> definition the entry into one (the special-use registry) with
> processing rules that require normal DNS processing, combined with the
> request for a provably-insecure delegation, is either incoherent or
> else links the two registries.  I don't know which it is, but I see no
> way it can be other than one of them.

Let me try again...  As I see the process, draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03 defines the protocol behaviors for ".homenet".  draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03 requests an entry in the root zone for .homent and an entry in the special-use names registry.  While those two actions are related, and the entry in the special-use names registry may describe behavior that depends on the entry in the root zone, I think of the request for the entry in the root zone as coming explicitly from draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03 rather than implicitly from the entry in the special-use names registry.

The point I'm trying to make is that making the entry in the special-use names registry is not a back door to an entry in the root zone.  The request for the entry in the root zone has to be explicit; in this case, in draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03.

- Ralph

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> A
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